PETA = People Eating Tasty Animals
I don’t hunt. I have been hunting once, for antelope in Wyoming, about 15 years ago. I enjoyed the “thrill of the hunt”, I shot one, I ate the meat, and I had it mounted. It currently resides on the wall in my basement, basically because Mrs. Johann won’t let me put it anywhere else in the house, but that’s another story. If circumstances presented themselves, I may very well go hunting again, but I’m not a “hunter” in that I don’t regularly go, nor do I own a shotgun, bow & arrow, rifle, spear, slingshot, blow-dart… blower… thingy, or any other hunting weapon.
I’m kind of like Ron White when it comes to hunting: “It’s not that I feel it’s somehow more holy to eat meat that was bludgeoned to death by someone else… it’s really early, it’s really cold out, and I don’t wanna fuckin’ go.” I don’t get the whole “getting up three weeks before the crack of dawn to sit in a tree for 14 hours waiting for something to happen by” thing. I view my antelope hunt as more of a “challenge”, simply because I actually hunted them- I walked (and crawled) through sagebrush over hills and through valleys trying to spot one. Anyone who has ever seen an antelope and knows what the Wyoming countryside looks like knows that can be easier said than done. I’m not trying to piss off deer hunters by any means, but it seems to me that it’s not really much of a “hunt” if you’re stationary and waiting for them to come to you. Maybe if I actually went deer hunting, I might change my tune on that, but until then, I say hunting antelope in Wyoming is more of a challenge. Sorry.
So anyway, yesterday’s SJ-R had a story about the opening of firearm season. I had no idea people hunted firearms until I realized they mean hunting with firearms. I’m not the sharpest star in the pizzeria. And then, of course, that was met by all the tree-hugging do-gooders bitching about hunting. Everything from “those poor little dumb animals don’t have a chance” to apparently questioning hunters’ manhoods by sarcastically suggesting that it “takes a real man to kill a defenseless animal”. To those people, I say this:
You’re all idiots. Shut the hell up.
Let’s start with the questioning manhood thing. It’s the old adage about men being hunters while women are gatherers. It’s in men’s biological makeup to hunt. It’s just that it’s stronger in some than in others. Secondly, as with anything else, there are increasing numbers of women who are getting into hunting. So the “little dick” argument doesn’t really hold much water, pardon the pun. That being said, there is still some measure of bravado in hunting that cannot be argued. Right or wrong, there seems to be a testosterone rush connected with shooting a deer, antelope, lion, rabbit, rhino, squirrel, pheasant, elephant, elk, earthworm, tsetse fly, whatever it is one hunts. So yeah, I guess it is somewhat of a dick thing, but tell that to the women that hunt.
Next is the “argument” about deer being defenseless animals. Yeah, they don’t have guns. One of the many MENSA-worthy message board commenters that SJ-R.com attracts actually suggested “maybe we should give the deer guns and make it fair”. I love stupid people. I’m thinking that arming deer probably wouldn’t do them much good anyway, considering they have hooves, genius. Besides, it’s the right to BEAR arms, not DEER arms. (Really bad pun, sorry. I am my mother’s child.)
Several other special commenters posted things along the lines of “you like to shoot things so much, we should send you to Iraq”. I’m not even going to glorify that thinking by pointing out how incredibly profoundly stupid it and the people that said it are.
The thing is, the deer population, as with all animal populations, needs to be controlled (including humans, but, again, another story). There are several animal species in the world that are on the”protected” or “endangered” list, and for good reason. I don’t think we should rid the planet of ANY species. But some need to be controlled. That’s where [legal] hunting comes in. An exceedingly large deer population can threaten farmland to the point it can no longer be fertile. It is just part of the balance of nature. An overabundance of deer can increase the amount of deer-vs.-car collisions, causing injury to not only poor little Bambi, heaven forbid, but also to humans, AND each such collision causes insurance rates to go up for everyone.
Now, the big daddy hot button for all the follow-the-chic-trend lambs is the “senseless killing of poor animals” and the EATING thereof. First off, what is the difference between that big-ass steak you’re eating in a restaurant and the deer snausages a hunter makes from a deer he shot and killed himself? Answer: nothing. But the kicker here is how all the treehuggers say humans shouldn’t eat ANY animals. Yeah, well, again, you’re wrong. Like I said, it’s the balance of nature- species at the top of the food chain eat those below them. Nobody gets their knickers in a twist over the lions and alligators that eat wildebeests and zebras. Why? It’s only okay for animals to eat other animals? Aren’t WE animals? I can hear it now: “oh yeah, well what if some animal hunted you and ate you?!” That happens occasionally- balance of life, folks. It’s their world, we’re only visiting. Most people that are attacked and/or killed by animals likely were infringing on (what’s left of) said animal’s habitat, or else they were just stupid (”hey Bubba- watch THIS! AAAAUUUUUGHGHHH!!”). Another favorite stupid argument is “you shouldn’t kill and eat another living creature”. Oh, so it’s okay to kill and eat plants? Aren’t plants alive? Dumb asses. “But plants can come back and regenerate”. Yeah, well, cats are supposed to have nine lives, so let’s eat cats. Dumb asses.
Secondly, the planet simply cannot support a totally vegetarian population. There just isn’t enough land to grow the amount of crops and grains that would require, and said crops and grains simply don’t grow quickly enough to be able to adequately feed 7 billion people and the billions of herbivorous animals that exist. Crops would run out and/or be eaten in no time and everything/everyone would die. Is THAT what you want? B-A-L-A-N-C-E O-F L-I-F-E, people.
Bottom line, all you treehuggers need to realize that, believe it or not, the grand majority of us carni- and omnivores have absolutely no problem with your being vegetarian or vegan. Basically, it’s that we really don’t care. That means more meat for us. If you don’t want to eat meat, that’s your binniss. But don’t ridicule us for doing so. God has made us (humans) the top of the food chain — at least for right now — so that’s how it goes. Get over it. Don’t try to recruit me to your little social clique, which is really all the more vegetarians and vegans are. You go out and try to show the world how much better you are than everyone else- style over substance. Nothing but a bunch of hypocrites, if you ask me. Kind of like “environmentalists” that put “protect the environment” license plates on their cars. Oh, the sad irony.
Look, folks, people have been hunting, killing, and eating animals for millions of years. It’s how it goes. You don’t want to hunt them, or even eat them, then don’t. I do think if you’re going to kill it, you should be prepared to eat it or give it to someone who will, and I don’t believe in just outright torture of animals, no matter what species, especially domestic animals (* cough Michael Vick cough*), but I have absolutely no problem whatsoever with LEGAL hunting or those that partake in it. I do, however, have a very serious problem with the holier-than-thou’s, most of whom are incredibly hypocritical.
On a side note: just think how different this Thursday would be if Ben Franklin had gotten his way and made the turkey the national bird… “hey, Ma, pass the groundhog, wouldja?!”
(I could have said beaver…)
Look, folks, there’s room for ALL God’s creatures. Right next to the mashed potatoes.

I, too, harbor no desire to get up at 4 in the morning, cover myself in deer piss and go freeze my balls off in the middle of nowhere.
But I don’t begrudge those who choose to spend their time that way. In fact, those deer sausage sticks are tasty. As long as it’s legit, I have no quarrel with the hunter/fisherman.
I just ain’t gonna participate.
I see what you’re saying here. I eat some meat, not much and never my first choice, but nonetheless some. I’m not ignorant to the fact that somebody slaughtered the animal that ultimately became my dinner. However, for sport? Ick. I guess I look at it the same way I look at waste hauling. I understand it needs to be done, but I really wouldn’t want to be the one to do it. And if someone wanted to haul garbage for sport on the weekends, for no money, in the freezing cold and bring their kids along? I’d think that was kind of weird.
Nancy: That’s a very interesting analogy — I don’t think I would have ever made that parallel, but I see your point. I, too, would consider sport garbage hauling kind of weird.
But as AnonCom said, as long as it’s legit, I have no problem with hunting.
I haven’t hunted since I moved from Wyoming back in ‘66. The eight years that I lived in Wyoming I hunted and fished quite often. And yes, there is a certain rush that goes thru you after bagging that deer, antelope, or whatever.
This was especially so when I got my first (and only) moose permit. I went hunting moose with a friend up near the Yellowstone National Park border. We had been chasing moose all morning to no avail, deciding at about noon it was time to call it a day and head back to camp. Sure enough, on the way back I spot a moose in a small clearing about 100 to 150 yards away. All of a sudden I get so excited, I start shaking all over. I quickly gather my nerves, take aim, and squeeze off a shot with my trusty unmodified M-1 rifle I had purchased at a military surplus store, the same kind of rifle I used when I was in the Marine Corps. Kaboom!! And down goes that moose at the very spot it stood before being shot. Talk about exhilaration. Talk about a testosterone driven rush. I quickly ran to get close to my prize, hunting knife in hand to immediately field-dress my trophy. When I got there, I was shaking so much from excitement, my friend had to take my knife from me to initially bleed out the animal. (Yes, folks, this is first thing you do when you field dress an animal. Then you gut it, skin it, and hang it up to cool out.)
And yes, was that moose meat ever tasty!! Mooseburgers anyone?
Now all you vegetarians out there, if eating plant life only is your thing, who am I to complain. But don’t bash me for liking meat. After-all, as Johann said, people have been eating meat for as long as they have been on this planet.
Re: field-dressing… that’s the biggest reason why I’m not going to go hunting. I get squeamish just putting a worm on a hook.
I sure ain’t gonna disembowel a filthy wild animal with my bare hands. Yuck.
And do you still have that M-1?
Zebra: great story. I’ve known you “most” of my life and I don’t think I’ve ever heard that story. But the final couple sentences of your comment are my exact point. Top notch!
AnonCom: dude, that’s like the other part of the testosterone rush. When I shot my antelope, gashing that sucker open and ripping… well, everything… out of its abdominal cavity, that was Captain Caveman to the nth degree. Then I had to wash all that shit off- I was literally elbow deep up in that bee-yotch. Can’t honestly say I’m rip-roaring to do THAT part again, but as Zebra said, that is (a very important) part of it. It’s gotta be done. Carrying the sucker the 7 miles back to camp kinda sucked.
Of course, the other “fun” part was staying up all night — outside — to make sure no wolves or bears or crocodiles or whatever came to the camp and yanked the carcass out of the tree I hung it up from.
Oh, and Zebra: DO you still have that M-1?!
Most environmentalists I know are fine with hunters. In fact I know many hunters who are dedicated tree-huggers. Tree-huggers are the ones protecting forest land you can hunt in from the politicians like Bush who want to allow the timber industry to destroy the few natural forests we have left. Tree-huggers are the best friends hunters have got. Besides, everyone knows half the posts by “environmentalists” on the comment board are by some loony conservative who needs a new hobby. The only argument he can win is against himself.
The only time I saw a PETA protest in person was a good looking naked young woman wrapped in plastic wrap like packaged meat. Are good looking naked women really that offensive to you? You should leave the “all the tree-huggers are out to get me” victim mentality to the talk radio hosts.
I’m not completely vegetarian but I eat a lot less meat than I used to. One thing I’ll point out is that it takes a lot less food and land for people to eat vegetarian. Growing feed for cattle that people eat takes more land, food and water than people eating vegetarian. Its one of the reasons many people choose to be vegetarian. You can support a much larger population on a vegetarian diet than a diet heavy in meats. And no, the fact that I’m providing you with this information doesn’t mean I’m trying to shove broccoli down your throat. Happy hunting.
P.S. At the Sierra Club potluck I went to last month someone brought sausage they made from a deer they personally hunted. It was good. No one gave him a hard time about it.
Dang, dude. Chill, uh… Will. You and I apparently have different definitions of “tree-huggers”. It’s not meant as a flattering term- it’s like “redneck”.
No, I have absolutely no problem with “good-looking naked women”. If some woman wants to get naked in public for no other reason than to get her picture in the newspaper, who am I to say she shouldn’t? Although, that chick wasn’t actually naked- she was very strategically covered, which really kind of defeats the purpose of being naked. Bottom line, however, the “nudity” serves no other purpose than narcissistic shock value which completely compromises her message. It’s all about “LOOK AT ME- I’M NAKED!! Oh yeah, and don’t eat meat.” Either protest OR get naked. One pretty much negates the other.
Also, never once did I say or even infer that I think “all the tree-huggers are out to get me”. Don’t draw parallels that aren’t there.
Okay, so growing feed for cattle that people eat takes more land, food, and water? Great- I’m trying to do my part to combat that by eating those cows. See how well that works out?
By the way, I like broccoli.
P.S. A good friend of mine went to a certain restaurant here in town, one with several steaks on the menu. My friend ordered a steak. My friend proceeded to be lectured by his waitress about eating meat. THAT’S what I’m talking about.
I think everyone is entitled to their own opinions. No need for either side of the animal rights movement to hate one another.
I’m a tree hugger, and an avid fisherwoman. I have no problem with hunting when the hunter is eating his food – I think if you’re not willing to kill the animal yourself then you probably SHOULD be a vegetarian. PETA makes me angry for their absolutism (if you’re not a vegan you’re EVIL) and support of organizations like the Animal Liberation Front. Now there’s a truly noxious organization. The fact that animal liberation gets lumped in with environmentalism makes me crazy… On the other hand, the people who call themselves “hunters” and take pot shots at bald eagles are just as awful, if less organized.
And I’d like to say its not a testosterone rush, its a adrenaline rush – and women totally get it too